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Buy in China: 5% Normal defective rate Payment terms

We are often asked by customers what is the common rate of defectives product we find per production. A common rate of defectives products in China manufacturing is mainly around 5% to 15%. In some case when we perform our quality inspection in China, we found out more and it is out of the AQL [...]

China Manufacturing: Reworking the goods after Quality Check

We were operating a quality inspection in China for one of our customer.And of course there is always something wrong. We rarely see production 100% perfect (but it happens sometimes !). Sometimes, suppliers are nice, honest and customer carrying. It is interesting to spend some time on site to see the energy a chinese team [...]

China buying: Regular visit of your chinese supplier is important

Why is it important to visit regularly your chinese supplier ? We are time to time facing situation that we would not expect. We like to tell what we see and hear to our customers. We never hide real and current situation to them. Sometimes, buyers operating purchasing in China via our services are wondering [...]

Sourcing in China: Buy EXW vs FOB

Again an interesting statement from Chris on its blog about china buying agent profession. This time, he talk about the request for quotation process while performing process of sourcing chinese factories and comparing their price. Indeed, when you turn to compare pricing with different incoterms in China you sometimes get surprised when you are not [...]

Buy in China: 5% Normal defective rate Payment terms

    We are often asked by customers what is the common rate of defectives product we find per production.

    A common rate of defectives products in China manufacturing is mainly around 5% to 15%. In some case when we perform our quality inspection in China, we found out more and it is out of the AQL standard, mostly we perform a full quality control on every pieces.

    Some factories will claim 1% defectives rates to comfort you in your opinion about them when you perform china sourcing operation but the only way to control this information is to check their quality control record and/or to get your eyes on the production line at the factory audit time..

    Simply ask them to see the record of defects on their production.

    If they are not able to show you documents computing the number of defects on the production line, then your potential partner is not really  managing quality  by lack of implementation of quality assurance system.

    How to counterfeit the 5% defects ?

    Negotiation strongly to ask the supplier to give you 5% payment after 30 days, so that you also have securities and compute in front of them the no quality cost of operating a recall (salary of employees in your countries to get back the goods from customers, freight to bring back the goods in the manufacturing country, salary of their employees to rework the goods in the manufacturing country, freight to send back the goods to customer, payment late of the 5% in their cash flow).

    Writtent by Yan western china sourcing manager at the sourcing company in China : Advanced Asia Sourcing

     

    China Manufacturing: Reworking the goods after Quality Check

      China Factory OrganizationWe were operating a quality inspection in China for one of our customer.And of course there is always something wrong. We rarely see production 100% perfect (but it happens sometimes !).

      Sometimes, suppliers are nice, honest and customer carrying. It is interesting to spend some time on site to see the energy a chinese team can deployed to solve problem as long as they have a leader to follow.

      It is not uncommon for us to play the role of leader acting as QC manager on production line. Often, after order is completed and problem solved, workers and manager tell us our quality standard is too high. We are used to this kind of comments.

      On side on this, we are always get amazed to see how a chinese team of worker is able to be involved to make the job. It is even more uncommon to understand how chinese factories get organized because sometimes there is simply no real organization (especially for small factories adpated to customers having small orders).

      China Factory Organization

      On that case, on a time period of 1 hour, you could see a team of reworking people starting at 10 people, then diminishing at 5 people, then regrowing at 15 people.

      It seems than every worker going around is potentially a reworking people having power to help or leave time to time. Often, even the sales go to help and take position of a factory workers to accelerate the processing job.

      Written by Advanced Asia Sourcing, China Sourcing Services and Buying Office in China

       

       

      China buying: Regular visit of your chinese supplier is important

        Why is it important to visit regularly your chinese supplier ?

        We are time to time facing situation that we would not expect.

        We like to tell what we see and hear to our customers. We never hide real and current situation to them. Sometimes, buyers operating purchasing in China via our services are wondering why is it so important to be on the ground and regularly visit factories and suppliers even when everything is going well.

        The answer is simply not very long:

        In China, everything is going fast, very fast. Changes are quick, mutations are unexpected and strategy need to be constantly adapted to new situation.

        As a professionnal sourcing company China based, our job is to find and qualify chinese factories on behalf of our clients. The typical process is:

        - Gather information about product specification and client recquirement

        - Formalized and translate a precise recquirement

        - Operate china sourcing operation

        - Operate shortlisting

        - Perform factory audit at the plant

        Most of time, at T time, everything is fine and you start working with this supplier who was qualified for different reasons (professionalism, specialization, infrastructure such as machine, product range, control of the whole production process, etc..).

        Sometimes after few months, the supplier is changing:

        1./ Start to outsource some process to increase margin because machine get old.

        In this case, most of them don’t give access anymore to the sub contractors and you loose control on the Bill of Material.

        We have seen case where electronics factory owned SMT machine to produce electronics at the audit time and didn’t have them 1 year later and outsourced those process to another factory.

        Of course the supplier didn’t want to let know the sub contractors, and when things went wrong on an electronics component, they were unable to give us a rationnal explanation about what was the brand of the component that was used.

        As a result we turned back to another manufacturer who gave us access to the whole Bill of Material.

        2./ Diversify activities in other products which sometimes are totally different from the original know how.

        And then, the professionalism of the supplier is diminishing on the product you initially was coming for.

        Believe us or not, but we have seen case where factory producing electronics, start to raise birds and parrot with incubator as a zoo to make money considering that electronics was not an enough lucrative market.

        3./ Remove or stop activities of some department to reduce cost on workforce.

        This is critical when a supplier cut notably the presence of a quality control team. It is also a problem of production capacity when the workforce is diminished.

        4./ Is acquiring new customers.

        So your order don’t get priority and you get a lack of interest and consideration for them and order and purchasing operation in China becomes more difficult to control.

        5./ Behavior is changing.

        We have seen while performing in china, quality control operations, some suppliers producing similar products then our customer’s one for others overseas customers whereas our own customers had design, patent and copyright on those product and didn’t give authorization to the manufacturers to sell by himself.

        Of course the customer amazed to see its products sold by factory with just a small change of sticker and name on it.

        So, for all those reasons, and in order to be able to adapt back up strategy, regular presence on site at Chinese factories is necessary and mandatory at any time, even when things appear to go well.

        The other reason to be on site is to understand process, difficulties faces by supplier and operate corrective action plan at the earlier stage while the production is still running.

        Suppliers have some difficulties time to time with production and product, and sometimes they are not able to face them by themselves by lack of skills. We have seen numerous suppliers having, workforce, capital, machine, infrastructure, but not enough educated people to solve problems.

        The goal is to educate properly the right people (and hoping he will not leave the company too fast), more than dictate, fight with contract, payment or court.

        We have met every kind of suppliers: nice, bad, honest, dishonest, skilled, unskilled, willing to learn, willing to make money more than everything else.

        All those tensions can be smoothed by meeting them and facing them. Having diner or even a KTV with them. This is diplomacy and this can only be build by being present on site to shake hands and getting complicity.

        This is the reason why we attach a high importance to our buying office services in China

        Chris for the sourcing company in China: Advanded Asia Sourcing

        Personnal blog: China Buying Agent

         

         

         

         

        Sourcing in China: Buy EXW vs FOB

          Again an interesting statement from Chris on its blog about china buying agent profession.

          This time, he talk about the request for quotation process while performing process of sourcing chinese factories and comparing their price.

          Indeed, when you turn to compare pricing with different incoterms in China you sometimes get surprised when you are not advised.

          More information on Chris blog: China-Buying-Agent.org

          China Import: reduces taxes on the bill : get caught for fraud

            A common argument for Chinese suppliers to sell you some products when you start talking about import taxes in your country, is to tell you : “just do two invoices to reduce price in custom in your country”.

            Well, this argument make you feel comfortable to buy in China ? Us probably not considering that in some countries such as France, taxes bureau is happy to check all your records every 3 years to audit your bookkeeping, bank transaction and import taxes customs to see if everything is in coherence with the reality.

            Indeed, in case of checking, you may have to provide invoices with the same value than bank transfer and custom clearance value. It is is usually not so easy to hide some payment from bank account to custom value and bank transfer

            So, becarefull, when factory in China will propose you to decrease value, tell them this is probably good for them, but they of course don’t care and are not of course liable for anything in your own country.

            David, for Advanced Asia Sourcing, sourcing in China, buying office and import operation.

            Again a new blog

              Recently one of our workers acting as buyer in our company decided to take the opportunity to create its own personal blog. We support him in this difficult task which is to write regularly on the web to share its experience of buying agent in China.

              More about its blog here: http://www.china-buying-agent.org

               

              China Sourcing: Chinese factories say “Of course we have certificate !”

                Introduction

                As restriction for dangerous products become more and more important and sensible in western countries to import goods, governments have established a bunch of norms and regulation to prevent crappy, toxic and dangerous products to get inside the territory.

                Mostly they require for consumer products to perform a set of testing whose the procedure and type mainly depend on product type and served market.

                A few of those standards :  CE, UL, Rohs, Reach, FCC, GS, EN71, CPSIA, Phtalate free, Azo Dye, etc…

                Not having the required certification for your imported products may result in having your products blocked in the custom in your country, eventually to get your goods trashed after the quarantine period. This is the reason why you should lead your operation of procurement in China carefully both while vendor sourcing in China and manufacturing process.

                Compliance and Certification

                In order to avoid a such situation you absolutely need to have those laboratory testing proof before sending your goods to the destination and this for different reasons:

                1./ In case your products are not certified but are compliant and already shipped, you will need to pick some pieces from your container and send them to a laboratory to get the certification approval.

                It will results in extra cost from laboratory testing if you do it in your own country, payment for extra day of storage of your container in the custom area.

                2./In case your products are not shipped yet, you should perform lab testing and get the certification approval before shipment. It is not free, of course.

                How to prevent it ?

                Let’s consider you are still operating sourcing in China and didn’t place order yet. Then you may source and select your supplier also according to the fact he/she owes some certification for the market you are serving. This verification can be operated while you perform a factory audit in China for example.

                While this phase, be careful since some risks still appear:

                1./ Mostly, certification are related to products, not to suppliers. So, the main speech of factory is ” Yes we have Rohs, CE, FCC. Look here is the certificate !”.  If the factory doesn’t even understand what is a certificate is for, just run away and change to another vendor.

                • Then when you would like to check to which products those certificate apply, you will find out that they have been issue for another product type and not for yours, so your certificate will not be receivable by the custom.
                • Most of time certificate indicates a product reference. Most important, a certificate is issued after a testing whose process and result have been recorded on a test report.
                • Often,  the test report include pictures of tested product. You should check if your products looks the same than the one who appear in the test report. If it is not, there is great chance your certificate will not be receivable to the custom.

                2./ You may find out that certificates have been issued by fake laboratory or not accredited laboratory. In a conclusion, those certificate are not receivable and are worthless.

                • Mostly, suppliers will have used use this kind of laboratory for few reasons:
                1. Cost : Cheaper
                2. Compliance : Their product can not pass the certification (mostly they save money by using not compliant raw materials), so they find a not too restrictive laboratory to issue a fake certification indicating “PASS”

                3./ The supplier doesn’t have the certificate

                • In this case for you:
                1. Either you select another supplier having the right certificate
                2. You do the test yourself by an accredited laboratory on your own name. You will mostly be required by supplier to pay your own lab testing however you may negotiate with them to handle the fees.
                  Above all, make sure your product will be compliant before placing order in order to avoid to pay 10 times the same test until the supplier get a compliant product.

                The best moment to test your products is when the supplier operate the sample reference to make sure that the mass production will be based on a compliant product, but the best moment to certify your product is at the beginning of the production while picking some sample while an Initial Production Inspection. Why ? Simply because by certifying a sample doesn’t avoid to get the supplier changing the raw materials while the mass production

                4./ The supplier has the certificate but it is outdated

                Tips: You should remind that certificate are related to result of test report. Result of test report are related to your product. Your products is related to raw materials, components, conception and  sometimes design.

                So actually this certification will worth something only if the manufacturer respect all the rules of compliance while the manufacturing process from the raw material selection to the assembly process, and sometimes even till the packaging.

                Written by Advanced Asia Sourcing : sourcing company in China and buying office services

                China Sourcing and Import from China: Select chinese suppliers from B2B platform

                China Sourcing Online B2B PlatformThe sourcing profession truly changed since the Internet appeared early 2000. Before the appearing of the Internet most of the buyers and importers were operating physically to find suppliers in China or were operating via trading companies.

                With B2B platform the buyer profession deeply changed. Now, when you are searching for a product to buy in China you can from your own chair browse hundred of potential suppliers via B2B platform such as Alibaba.

                But despite all the key indicators supposed to provide reliable information provided by Alibaba such as being “Gold Supplier”, Alibaba recently suffered from malfunction. One of them is related to the fact that to be qualified as “Gold Supplier”, potential suppliers just need to pay.

                So for example if you are operating china sourcing on a common product such as a USB key, you will probably find more than 200 potentials chinese vendors telling you they can supply to you the product you are looking for. However, you will buy products only to one or two manufacturers.

                Then, the challenge is now to sort out and shortlist those 200+ suppliers to keep only a few factories in China able to fit with your needs.

                Nowadays, on consumer products, the challenge of sourcing in China is not to find chinese suppliers, but to sort them out: find the right one or the right two ones.

                 

                Factory audit in China, a crucial step during the sourcing process.

                China Factory, Import, Sourcing, Manufacturing, Outsourcing

                Factory Audit operated in Shenzhen while sourcing process

                One of the crucial step in sourcing in China manufacturers or vendors is to perform an on site facility inspection also called “factory audit”.
                In China
                more than anywhere else, this step included in the normal process of every sourcing operation is absolutely recommended to better understand what is the profile of your future potential supplier in China.

                A lot of buyers and importers are usually sourcing suppliers by using online B2B platform.
                After, getting contact with potential vendors and manufacturers, they will exchange a lot of e-mail in order to get the maximum of information in order to try to secure at maximum their future buying operation.

                From what I have seen, so far by traveling in several countries, Chinese factories sales man are one of the best to make you confident to buy their products and to send your money on their bank account.

                Most of time, buyers are not very accustomed with local Chinese culture, manners, and business relationship. It is not useless to remind that in China credulity is something that is exploited, and on the public eyes the morality make that the one who the credulity is exploited is the one who is wrong. In no case, the one  who is exploiting the credulity is mean.

                For this reason, while sourcing suppliers in China, every importers or buyers, before sending money on a bank account located in Asia, should absolutely perform a factory audit or a supplier assessment (even quick) to check the credibility of the vendor he/she is in touch with by e-mail.

                When we audit factories for our clients, we usually better understand the way of thinking of the supplier: factory organization, other clients served, youthness of workers, cleanness of facilities, sample room, production line, etc…
                All those elements give a rough opinion on the quality of service customers may receive later on.

                Buying in China

                Knowledge is necessary to import from China

                By EM

                Almost everyone thinks that in China everything is cheap. That is right in most of the cases. But if you need some high quality products cheap does not work.

                The relationship between quality and price is really well managed by Chinese producers. Be careful! If you ask for cheap products don’t expect quality. The next aspect you have to consider when you’re buying in China at least you have to buy a minimum of a thousand of pieces. Something well managed in china is producing and buying high quantities of goods. The concept of mass production mixed with a cheap labor and undervalued currency makes China one of the most competitive countries in the world.

                Buying something in China is not that easy; the language and the culture can be a big obstacle when they are mixed with bargaining habits. If you don’t really know the quality of the product you’re buying, Chinese sellers will try to charge as much as they can, especially if you look naïve or just foreigner.

                You can bargain almost everywhere in China. Most of the sellers have a basic knowledge of number and how to say cheap or expensive in English. People in China use to negotiated with just a calculator. However would you close a contract of thousands of dollars with just a calculator? The answer is of course NOT. The purchasing process could be very strange for European and American buyers, hence hiring or buying services from an outsourcing company in China is the best choice. This kind of companies can get better prices. Therefore, the sourcing company can take part in your business and, in long term, you can build a very strong win to win relationship.

                Let me tell you, sourcing does not mean trading: the sourcing company doesn’t sell products, sells a service. That means the sourcing company will be transparent and will ensure that the client will obtain all information of the supplier.

                At the beginning even if you don’t want to spent money, any idea that you might have will still take your time. So if you are thinking about China, just welcome. Even coming to China will make you realize the big differences between what is called Western and Asian culture.

                The other option can be just buy products online; first you need to verify that the sellers’ information are right, and then you must contact or just call them. In this process you still can be cheated, some of the well known websites have people that just paid money to be well ranked and sooner or later they might disappear. That’s why we recommend hiring a company to help you in the purchasing process and avoid risks. If you are going to do business or just ordering small samples, the advisor company will help you to invest wisely in China.

                Finally every idea has a value, so can be a good start to check that the product you want to buy, produce or just sell from/in China, is already market. Also if you need to do some researches about similar products, their price and costs, China has become a good test markets for many multinational companies. There is a big chance that you have found the great business and your market is just waiting for you to give you good profits.